I believe many who use the discernment rationale, are being dishonest with themselves. This why I said that you dont know me and you know absolutely nothing of my life. The rush of power into his person was so great that it caused him to fall on the floor. Torben says himself at 6:44into the Speaking in Tongues video above that speaking in tongues is an amazing gift that EVERYONE should have because if you are not baptised in the Holy Spirit well according to Torben you are not saved, and that speaking in tongues is an amazing tool God has given us to come into a strong prayer life and relationship with him. Yes, there are charlatans who do as you say regarding shortened legs. Editing Comments: Gods whole plan was to tabernacle with man, and yet the Hebrews wanted Moses to hear from God and they would do whatever God told Moses to tell them to do. Those that would criticize any such testing should take a step back and realize there is nothing unbiblical about testing such spirits as long as it is done with the right intent. In all the videos, I dont see evidence in those being healed of being brought to repentance and an acknowledgement of Jesus as Lord. In helping to delineate the true from the false, one thing the Lord made me aware of recently is that the false relies on witchcraft (though they dont know it) whereas the true relies on the Holy Spirit. They are not satisfied with belonging to Jesus, they would make Jesus belong to them. What I have seen is that all kinds of problems arise when we tear out an entire chapter of the bible (and more!) I must say your eisegesis is astonishing. If you really believe what you are saying about Bill Johnson to be true then why dont you say, The Holy Spirit told me that Bill Johnson doesnt belong to God, is not a child of God and is purposefully leading the people of God astray as a messenger of Satan? In 1995, he committed his life to Christ and felt God calling him to ministry. It is a flow of the Living Waters of the Spirit Himself when our SELF/FLESH BOWS DOWN AND SURRENDERS. This is how His Kingdom comes in the earth! etc, support Bob Jones. Kan jy asb 'n skakel plaas na die, 24 December, 2022 by Tom Lessing (Discerning the World), 20 December, 2022 by Tom Lessing (Discerning the World), 19 December, 2022 by Deborah (Discerning the World), 18 December, 2022 by Tom Lessing (Discerning the World). Exd 4:3 KJV And he said, Cast it on the ground. Jim makes a very good point. Thank you to Andrew Strom also, I found your article regarding Bill Johnson that I can send to my friend. Could you ever imagine Jesus holding up a persons legs, showing the legs to be different sizes? Watchful- THIS work of God in us is holiness. Why cant people see this? (kings of the east?) He prayed for every sick person in his extended family, sick people related to friends and acquaintances, etc. watchful, your message about running from the spot light is a good one. The truth about Torben Sondergaard and the Last Reformation. . It would seem to me that they possess the redemption of God and now God can display His righteousness through them. He chose twelve disciples to preach the Kingdom of God, not to create a sect. They are all in a web of deception. John later said 1Jo 5:8 But where are these authentic Jesus miracles in WIERDSVILLE ? The government then investigated the Sndergaard family when they began homeschooling. `And beginning with Moses & with all the prophets, He (Jesus) explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the scriptures.` (Luke 24: 27). That was my concern when I read that long, complicated, history focussed misguiding information posted by Chas351. Frankly, if I would have seen this first, I would seriously reconsider my opinion of Andrew Strom. Luk 9:50 KJV And Jesus said unto him, FORBID HIM NOT: for he that is not against us IS FOR US. Ultimately each person is responsible for themselves Romans 14:4. This is not the shekinah glory of God in this video, saying you believe in Jesus and not knowing a demonic false sign is a result of making self your god. I simply yielded to what Jesus wanted to do in that household! Seymour then asked the one-armed man, Can you work with just the one arm? They actually believe what they are doing is through the power of the Holy Spirit. He was not acting like the King of the Jews. And he put his hand into his bosom: and when he took it out, behold, his hand [was] leprous as snow. Too many people are busy looking for signs and wonders and taking their eyes of off Jesus. Torben Sndergaard hijacks you on the spot, does a willy nilly prayer with you, lays hands on you in the street, or dunks you under water at a baptism, a demon manifests (but does not actually leave), and then he lays hands on you again and forces that Spirit of FIRE into you until you speak in tongues, which according toTorben Sndergaard proves you are now truly saved. Excerpt taken from Your Power In The Holy Spirit By John G Lake. The GLORY is the TANGIBLE MANIFESTATION OF THE PRESENCE OF GOD AND HIS NATURE. Paul was using both water and Spirit so many times in his epistles And, do you understand why that might be a bad thing to do? Jda016, you are absolutely right on in your discernment above..it is witchcraft. http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/orrel46.pdf. For more information see the About this Website page below the comments section. The Fiery Presence led them by night. I dont know. I was recently watching a podcast, that you can view at the end of this article, by Torben Sndergaard, a healing evangelist in Denmark, who has been the target of attacks by some in the media over the last several days. Or, perhaps do we read in the OT and NT that we ARE NOT to mimic the heathen, or their ways? If a man comes performing miracles in Jesus name but preaches idols- money, ambition, love of the world and anything in the world money, sensuality, power or selfish ambition- THAT MAN IS A WOLF! Those who are the Sons of G-d are led by Him- Romans 8:14. Sndergaard's attorneys are filing an appeal. I do find it interesting how everyone attacks those trying to bring people into the knowledge of the truth. Jhn 14:16. Jesus Himself came back to give us this message in Rev 7:14 These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washedtheirrobes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.. And so, he just did what the bible said for him to do. Therefore, when the scripture talks about bringing GLORY to the Lord; GLORIFYING the Lord etc etc Everyone needs to be free to be what they were uniquely called and gifted to be. It is actually part and parcel of the Hebrew Roots Movement as well, all bound together in a nice Roman Catholicpurple ribbon. I hear you Lightning Storm. Indeed, this is something we need to seriously consider and pray about doing. WHO does the SANCTIFYING? Now lets take a look at what the scriptures REALLY say about WEIRD things taking place in Jesus Life.not to mention the disciples lives. Lets compare this to what Torben is doing. And what I learn from these ones is how the Holy Spirit through them has a real heart & compassion for those they come in contact with & that is making me address the `now,` as well as an eye on `direction.`. Averyl Randalls PC is down, but he is OK no doubt he will be back soon. LET HIS KINGDOM COME AND HIS WILL BE DONE IM HIS PEOPLE ON EARTH AS IT IS DONE IN HEAVEN!!! Torbens testimonies and teachings have increased my faith and given me confirmation. They did every technique they knew and nothing worked. Lets be respectful to one another as co-inheritors of the Kingdom and not act in our flesh. How sad it will be ONE DAY AFTER HIS COMING but for many it will be TOO LATE. I stand by my statements that all the supposed healings in these videos cannot be objectively proven by the video evidence alone. 3. sign me up. As you said we are all parts of His Body & it is to Him we look & praise for what He is doing in us & in our brothers & sisters. They did not rejoice at the healings at all. 1,664 talking about this. In fact, they should welcome any such testing. What I will do differently than what I saw in the first video is to not make a big deal about what happened if God heals them. Im glad you brought this up Barry, because the scriptures overwhelmingly tell us that Gods ways are set apart from those of the enemy. Torben Sondergaard Calls the Line of Fire from Prison Call in LIVE: (866) 348-7884 The Lord has put His Teachings (laws) in our hearts where we do not have to ask others but will know inherently His Will Hebrews 8:10, Jeremiah 31:33-34. What you said is correct. For example of these : Jesus healing on the Sabbath, touching lepors, letting hookers wash his feet with their hair and speaking with Samaritan women ( all of hear were scandalous in His culture and no one with any cultural sensitivity would even dream of doing such things in that culture)- YET GOD SEEMED TO LOVE TO PICK A FIGHT WITH AND SCANDALIZE THE INSINCERE AND THE SKEPTIC! Jesus is the gifted One in us- why should we be defined by a certain gift or let our works be defined by certain gifts when we can do whatever Jesus can do and wants to do in us. I see a specific calling for healing on his life for street ministry. And even the weaker among us serve a purpose in testing the character of the stronger..oh my, yes, how we treat our weaker members tells a tale, thats for sure. There are so many trying, Ernie wrote: I am not saying you highlighting false teaching, ChosenJulia. We never see any of the apostles commissioning new believers to go out and do this. (Luke 24: 27), And isn`t this what Andrew Strom is encouraging us to do, This video speaks of the amazing things that happen when you take new believers out healing the sick, preaching and baptizing, etc. He gave specific examples of sharing the Gospel and how the power of God has manifested throughout his time in ministry," a spokesman for his legal team said. Christs church is not some debate club and we must then try to win the debate. Many people, including me, have been warning people on this blog NOT to throw the baby out with the bath water. Most of the deceptions are mixtures, so that is something to keep in mind, but unless they turn around, as time goes on there is less and less of God and more and more of the enemy. Who originated each miracle an who copied? Last point, going back to the Pharisees, it seems to me that Jesus said that sins against the Son of Man would be forgiven but that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit wouldnt be. Discerning the World 2008 - 2022. As a work? He came back to Houston a broken and disillusioned man. 3) to inspire reverence or godly fear or awe Torben has been in jail since his arrest when authorities shackled him hand and foot like a terrorist. My kids and I actually went out and did it too. Perhaps you should read the whole passage up to verse 12. The Cloud of Glory Presence led them by day. 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